Tuesday, August 3,
2004 at 10:29
EDT by Joey deVilla
Jeff Jarvis
- A range of words heard today:
- Resistance
- Concern
- Curiosity
- Enthusiasm
- "Journalism is broken"
- Who agrees?
- Are citizens the fix?
- A recurring theme: control
- Journalists as the gatekeepers of information
- Journalists as verifiers
- Blurred lines
- What value do journalists add to news?
- Another theme: teaching
- Journalists
- students
- audience
- Technology needs to be easy to use
- Community: It's all about bringing it back to the level of people
- Respect/listening/disrespect
- Do journalists respect their public?
- Does the public respect journalists?
- Business
- Touched upon only slightly in the discussions
- "I'm a visitor, and I'm grateful that you had me over."
Jay Rosen
- When I got involved in public journalism, it started with an
observation of mine that was shared by a number of others: it's summed
up with the word "disconnect" -- there's a perception of disconnect
between the press and the public
- Many causes for the disconnect, many symptoms, caused concern
- We tried to operate on the sense of duty and conscience --
"experimenting as many peopl ein the movement were doing" -- an
"attempt to reform the official press"
- Talk to people more; use a citizen's agenda
- All an effort to get professional journalists to reach across the divide
- During that time, I always thought it was about journalists and
getting them to change. It dawned upon me to change citizens to change
and move toward the press.
- Blames himself for lacking the imagination to come to that
citizen-focused approach, but also says that they also didn't offer
grants for citizen-focused efforts
- Now it's citizen focused: they're talking to each other, talking
to the press, starting their own papers/web sites/radio stations/TV
channels
- It's no longer "Are you going to reach out?" but "What are you going to do under the current conditions?"
- The spread of not only technology, but ideas, has led us to this point in public journalism
- It's
one more chapter in a very long -- 300 to 400 years -- history of the
enfranchisement of people: to speak freely, to own property, to worship
freely, to move freely. "That's what self-publishing is: it's
enfranchisement of people in the media."
- The point is not that everyone will do so, it's that everyone has the opportunity to do so, if they want.
- The idea is that people can handle the world themselves. "They are competent to understand the world. "
- Invoked Whitman and Jefferson
- Lew Friedman is our resident researcher: a social scientist that
asks questions that journalists normally wouldn't, and knows how to
apply tests that they wouldn't
Lew Friedman
- "I am a sociologist, and I play one on TV."
- It's how I see the world
- We're in a world that consists of networks and institutions
- The world that Jeff and Jay have described is a world of networks. Anyone that can connect can join, and it's a fluid world.
- Institutions are different: they're filters of knowledge, talent
and power. A set of people, rules and professional routines. The press
is an institution. It has become systematically disconnected from the
public.
- The problem: networks may be extremely open, but they may also be
extremely fragmented. People can connect, but there can be ways that
they can connect that make little difference.
- Power Laws: those that have more, get more.
- The world of web sites mirrors the network world and the world of
publishing. There's a concentration of power. Jeff said that it wasn't
true in the blogpshere: he's right and he's wrong:
- Right: A blogger doesn't have to have all the readers -- just
enough to support what s/he is doing. New knowledge can be formed where
ideas keep ideas and people out.
- Wrong: The blogosphere -- populated largely by people like
myself: the symbolic analyst class -- people who produce and analyse
symbols and interpret them for other people. We work at jobs more
privileged than other people. We need the institution of the press to
make sense of the world, to distill it. Not everyone knows about blogs.
- Journalism: "a conversation of democracy"
- A sphere in which many people talk amongst themselves, and in a smaller degree, to the world at large
- My hope: to find the relationship between the two spheres.
Every time I hear talk of spheres, I am remind of
Gideon Strauss, who talks often of spheres and "sphere sovereignty".
- Hoder: Question to canadian bloggers -- why aren't blogs as popular in Canada as they are in the US and UK?
- David Akin: It's not that -- it's that it isn't a big story among Canadian journalists
- Jim Elve: It's the fact that we have 10% of the population of the
US. The market is smaller, so getting x hits here is like getting x
times 10 hits in the US
- Gil: For a long time, a lot of us have been trying to create a
vigorous public square -- with a bazaar of info with a lot of vendors
that retained a civility. We now see fragmentation of the media where
consumers are choosing their vendor based on whether that vendor
supports their world view. Isn't blogging a further fragmentation
rather than part of a solution to create a public place?
- Jay: Blogging in and of itself does not solve any problems. It's
a matter of what happens when you "sow seeds on fertile ground". It's
what happens when you empower people. It's the further evolution of the
media. 3 million people decided that they wanted a page so that the
whole world could see. Fragmentation? Echo chamber? Yeah. I'm tired of
it too, and it happens everywhere. The blogosphere is an elite.because
its people have the skills to use it.
- Jeff Jarvis: To turn it around, fragmentation is about control.
Fragmentation is people getting what they want means that. It's bad
news for big media. It's a good thing for consumers.
- Marti
Stephenson: Technology has allowed the people to become the press. We
have been accused of hogging the spotlight. One thing I learned: we
know more together than we know alone. One concern: a danger that
blogging become a facility for people to react than come together -- to
fall victim to the same problems that befell media. Invoked James Cox
from Dayton, Ohio. Are bloggers simply saying "my opinions are right,
and I'm going to tell you what they are" or are they conversing and
learning? We must keep true to those roots that keeping people talking
and learning from each other is what's important.
- Nikhil
Moro: There seems to be confusion between our understanding of blogging
and participatory journalism. Blogging is a tool of participatory
journalism, but blogging is not journalism -- you cannot define a large
group of readers...
- Jeff: Not true -- a mass audience is not
the point. You can do journalism and serve only 10 people. It's no
longer the mass market as a mass of niches.
- David Akin: Isn't journalism a process?
- Jeff Jarvis: If it informs the world, it's journalism.
- David Akin: The root words of journalism is "journal". It's a
regualr, repeated process. Why do bloggers want to be called
journalists? Readers decide who journalists are.
- Jay Rosen: The title "journalist" gets you access. Oftentimes,
information is witheld from the general public and made available to
members of the press. I don't try to define blogging as journalism in
the abstract, but on a situational basis. It's not so simple as a yes
or no question.
- David Akin: We had an interesting discussion. Is Michael Moore a journalist? Is Bill O'Reilly?
- Unknown person: Is a journalist accountable? Is a blogger
accountable? Journalists have all kinds of written self-policing
mechanisms -- do bloggers?
- Lew Friedman: What was journalism but people writing on
broadsheets in coffeehouses. That evolved into the press as we know it
today. If people read you, you're a journalist. There is a certain
sense that there are institutions that have resources and credentials
and are held accountable to certain standards of truth. That, in some
sense, is the line separating journalistic institutions from bloggers.
Bloggers are not accountable to the same rules even thought they speak
in the same public sphere as journalists. This isn't necessarily bad --
it speaks to the public right to free speech. The blogosphere expands
the public sphere and therefore citizen's right, which I think is
marvelous. The public is that space in which citizens come together and
make the rules.
- Jay Rosen: Reputational capital divides the institution of the
press from the bloggers. A new blogger starts with zero reputational
capital, but a new journalist at the Globe and Mail inherits the reputational capital built up from the Globe's
long existence, even though s/he has not yet contributed to that
reputation. Bloggers can build up their reputational capital -- but in
a way that's different from the way traditional sources get theirs.
- Len Witt: many of us have cast blogs as an "evil empire", a "screaming rabble". It's no more evil than a town hall meeting.
- Marti Stepehenson: Bloggers have the same relationship to their
readers that traditional journalists do. You can have the best public
service blog in the world, but if it doesn't create conversation,
you're in the same boat we were 15 years ago.
- Jack Rosenberg: Are weblogs about the public sphere, or small groups?
- Jay Rosen: They are about the public sphere when they ask the big
questions. They widen the group of participants in the discussion of
matters of the nation.
- Lew Friedman: The fragmentation of the public sphere is not the
fault of weblogs: the media institutions and parties are not holding
people together anymore. Public journalism in "the old days" was about
building and sustaining public participation.
- Len Witt: This conversation was all possible because of a weblog.
- Jay Rosen: Thos eof you with weblogs had better write about this conference, otherwise you're not doing your job!
Tuesday, August 3,
2004 at 08:57
EDT by Joey deVilla
Hossain "Hoder" Derakhshan
- Weblogs show the world the real Iran, the Iran that we don't see in mainstream news
- They promote freedom in speech in a closed society
- Hoder points out that Iran is not as closed as Saudi Arabia
- Blogs have helped foment political activism:
- Challenged president of Iran re: censorship of the Internet --
bloggers asked, using journalists at Davos as their proxies, what he
was going to do about it
- Helped bring news of the situation in Iran to the outside world
- Blogs are building social bridges -- bridges between:
- Generations
- The sexes
- Politicians and their constituents -- one of the six or seven VPs of Iran has a photoblog and even moblogs cabinet meetings!
- Politicians and young people -- a poltician took a letter from
bloggers directly to the president, got a direct answer and blogged it
- MacKinnon: Hoder, you downplayed your role in bringing blogs to Iraq.
Melinda Robins
- Taught civic journalism in Ethiopia
- What
does it mean to teach journalism in a country at the bottom of the
economic ladder, where editors can be harrassed and harmed by the
government?
- Civic journalism, in a small way, can help -- the news is not
what the president said today. It's "why are there thousands of
families livign on the streets?" Why are the journalists not talking to
these people?
- Lack of Internet access in Ethiopia -- maybe 50,000 people out of the 70 million population. Not a viable place for blogging
- BlogAfrica -- which Ethan Zuckerman is involved with -- more
focused on more economically developed countries (South Africa,
Namibia, etc) and the "African diaspora"
Nikhil Moro
- We know who coined the phrase "electronic commons" -- Lawrence Lessig -- and we also know who refuse to participiate in it
- "How
many people in the world today really have not enough on their plates
already, in terms of problems, to make the internet a part of their
lives?"
- Basic issues: it's tricky to talk philosophy with people who are still dealing with issues of survival
- (India doesn't fully count: in many ways, it's a major high-tech player)
- How many people have access?
- 80% of America
- 6% of India
- Lack of access is caused by:
- Censorship
- Refusal to build infrastructure
- Culture -- not everyone holds the same values dear. Freedom of
expression -- Moro references Emerson -- is not a core value for
everyone.
- He tells a story about the Human Affluence Index -- measured
by a quiz, one of whose questions is "Do you have a dining table and do
you use it?" In India, the tradition, rich or poor, is not to have a
dining table, but to eat on the floor.
- The internet has the potential to flatten the differences in freedom of expression
- Should it promote simple freedom of to say what one wants, or should it be specifically used to promote social good?
- Postmodern belief is that there cannot possibly be freedom of
speech, as it's a product of what you were taught (he expresses doubt
that the postmodern thinkers will ever produce a solution)
Terry Thielen
- Works in places that are "undergoing democratic transition"
- Many of these places lack the infrastructure -- even roads are hard to come by
- Lack of education
- We may take civic participation for granted here -- the concept
is foreign to places coming out from under dictatorship. Town hall
meetings are new to them.
- The internet can be useful for mobilizing people there, but
you'll reach only the elite groups. You need other means, which in her
experience is radio.
- Was
pleasantly surprised to find that Jamaica has a sophisticated media
environment and a number of strong civic journalism programs, an
exception in
the developing world (they're in a much better league than Haiti or
Bosnia)
- Example: Jamaica has a CrimeStoppers program just like ours
- Two national dailies publish study guides and other educational
materials every week -- good business (creates the next generation of
readers) and good citizenship
- Roots FM: brings potential employers on the air to talk about opportunities, potential employees to promote themselves
Chris Waddel
- Asked by an old boss from Columbia why he's teaching globalism
to a class in community journalism in Anniston, Alabama. Such a
question was expected from a New Yorker: "New York, is after all, an
island."
- The heartland is the starting point for a lot of big-city journalists and where a lot of American news is made
- The Iraq war affects the heartland: the soldiers overseas would
normally be their firefighters, police and other members of the
workforce. What happens across the globe has effects in the heartland.
Globalism affects middle America.
- Noted that papers have huge budgets to cover the Masters Tournament and the Superbowl
- My favourite part of the New York Times ("We actually get it in
the heartland") after the magazine is the travel section. He can fly
anywhere ion the world more cheaply from Atlanta than his old boss can
from NYC.
- In
his paper, the best letters to the editor get highlighted; the best
letter writers are invited to a steak dinner with a special guest
speaker (this past year: Russian reporter who covered the story about
the Forbes editor murdered in Russia)
- Seven Fulbright scholars in the university down the street
- University has an international house with 70 foreign students
- Involvement with the Southern Center for International Studies' television program, The Angry World
Rebecca MacKinnon
- Interest in how weblogs can help people in a country find out and connect with people in an another country
- Before
weblogs, you'd either have to have friends in that country or hear news
reports. Now, weblogs are a new source of info. Cites the example of
the Saudi Arabian blog, The Religious Policeman.
- Jeff Jarvis: The are journos who can't get out of the "green
zone". There's coverage in weblogs that could not exist in mainstream
journalism and without hte effort of citizen journalists.
- Talk of incorporating blogs and talk radio in 3rd world countries
- David
Akin: One of the stories we've been following for the past 3 - 4 years
-- how tech companies have been promoting tech in developing countries.
- Terry Thielen: "There's infrastructure and there's
infrastructure." In Haiti, which is mountainous country, the cell phone
towers help keep the diaspora in touch (they make lots of calls). The
real infrastructure problem is roads. Even where you can get tech, who
can repair it? With radio: 15% of the budget is for actual radio
equipment -- the rest is for inverters, generators and anything to
produce the power. Eevn if you can get the telecom infrastructure in
place, you need skilled people, and as soon as people get skills, the
skip town.
- Jay Rosen: Rebecca, last winter, we talked about a blog called North Korea Zone, a blog with information from insiders from North Korea. Another
idea was that you could be a guide to similar sites. How hard has it
been to get information? Have returning travellers from North Korea
been able to provide info?
- As background, she sought out Jay's advice abotu setting up a
weblog of info on North Korea. many frustrations with covering it as a
traditional journalist.
- Less success than she had hoped with getting info from
businesspeople and aid workers in Korea -- fear of not being allowed in
or criticism
- Snags:
China started blocking TypePad, South Korea has been blocking TypePad
to Blogger. Moved North Korea zone to an indie site running Moveable
Type.
- Len Witt: In many places in the world, the internet
infrastructure isn't there for us to reach them. "We need to know more
about the rest of the world than the rest of the world needs to know
about us." We (newspapers) need to bring the world to our readers.
- Terry Thielen: There is a need to train journalists from the developing world here, to train them. It brings the world to us.
- Chris Waddel: The Fullbright brings 500,000 international scholars to the US. Don't know how many of them are j-students. We should also be concerned about the lack of bandwidth here at home.
Blogging is one way to solve the problem, but we can't rely on one form
of communication: newspapers and other media can also play a role.
- Commenter: The state department brings in foreign journalists to
meet with media organizations and universities -- great exchange of
information
- Melinda Robin: We have immigrants in all our communities, and I
feel that journalists have missed them as sources of global information.
Tuesday, August 3,
2004 at 06:10
EDT by Joey deVilla
"Building social capital...that's what blogging and public journalism are all about."
Tuesday, August 3,
2004 at 04:37
EDT by Joey deVilla
(Missed the first bits of this session, dealing with getting the
luggage -- one bag of clothes, one accordion -- that American Airlines
lost last night back into my grubby paws.)
Mary Lou Fulton
- Demonstration of how the Northwest Voice site is put together; demonstration of content-management system
- Trying
to keep the site open to all contronutors: interesting quandary when
local businesses want to contribute content. They set ground rules,
saying that local businesses should write about their area of expertise
without turning it into straight advertising
- Akin: We need more disclosure about where the money comes from
with blogs. For instance, it's well-known that the advertising branch
of the Globe and Mail pays my bills.
- Problem with journalism is that it's made people feel unimportant and ineffectual. The goal of the Northwest Voice is to change that
- Northwest Voice is built using iupload, made by a company located in Burlington (a satellite town of Accordion City)
- "There's a sense of ownership" with the Northwest Voice -- people see themselves in it.
- The stories may be personal, but accountable: you can write about your kid, but we let the readers know that it's your kid
- "The problem with being a gatekeeper is that you're keeping people out, not letting people in."
Tuesday, August 3,
2004 at 03:39
EDT by Joey deVilla
Jan Schaffer's rebuttal
- "Jeff and I have a lot of common ground...I've just invited him to be on my board of directors."
- Jarvis is plagiarizing from the civic journalism playbook by viewing
news as a conversation -- civic journalism has been doing this before
blogs.
- Just as town hall meetings are now considered passe, blogging will someday be considered passe
- Shouldn't aspire to add links, but add meaning and context. Otherwise, you're just making more noise.
Q&A
- Comment from audience: blogs will find their niche and not
replace other forms of journalism, but complement them and find their
own place, just as TV did not eliminate radio.
- Rebecca
MacKinnon: What about the tools, which lower the barrier of entry to
publishing? Blogging tools make it so you don't need to know web design.
- Schaffer: The bar is high, for people with no English skills or
no writing or grammar skills. It's a niche for people who can write and
who have the confidence. America is increasingly made up of minorities,
who will not have the language skills to blog. Plans to teach people
how to use Dreamweaver and other tools to create interactive content --
interactive maps, games, web pages and the like
(I call bullshit. It's much tougher to create web pages without
blogging tools, and interactive maps, media and games take a lot more
effort -- I know, I used to be a multimedia developer. As for
immigrants, a good number of them speak much better English than the
local-born.)
- Artvoice.com audience member: How do we incorporate blogging into what we do (indie TV)?
- Lewis Friedland points:
- Remember, public journalism is not about self-expression, but about solving problems.
- Blogs are subject to power laws.
- The structure of the blogosphere as a whole, with some
important exceptions, is not all that different from the "he said she
said" horse-race mentality of big media
- Jarvis: "power laws" are the old way of thinking. You have to be big to survive. The mass market is dead, it's abotu niches now.
Tuesday, August 3,
2004 at 03:23
EDT by Joey deVilla
Neil Heinan
- "I'm the dinosaur...I'm the manual typewriter in this group."
- With We the People/Wisconsin: US's oldest civic journalism project
- "I understand the power of the camera-equipped cell phone, but we're still struggling with that in Madison, Wisconsin."
- "Dragging the citizens to the candidates"
- Will forego the moderator in the next set of political debates and just have them talk to each other
- Want to have the candidates answer citizen's emailed questions
- Want to make the questions posed to candidates "fair": "Fairness...which is as far from the blogosphere as you can get."
- Still trying to get citizens to talk to each other, face to face.
"As valuable as computer-to-computer is," the idea of citizens talking
to each other and to candidates running for office is something valuable
- Shortcoming: we have traditionally cut out young people from the
process. Active attempts at fixing this: inviting middle-school
minority students intot he newsroom
- Some input from web-based participatory journalism
- Here as an old-school practitioner, trying to incorporate the online innovations.
Tuesday, August 3,
2004 at 03:14
EDT by Joey deVilla
Jeff Jarvis
- "As Rosen rebutted Kinsella, Jarvis shall now rebut Schaffer"
- It is mainstream media that is useless, narcisstic and niche
- "Forget Gutenberg. The most important media invention is the remote control."
- Blogging is the new remote control
- The readers are now writers
- The people we used to call an audience now have a voice.
- Advice to editors: The first thing you should do is not write the blogs, but read them
- Bloggers do it because they care
- Blogging is complementary:
- "It is news? Yes, I say it is."
- "Is it journalism? Yes, I say it is."
- With the commoditization of news, viewpoint becomes important
- If we stick up our noses at Fox News (or the Guardian, for that matter), we are ignoring the people
- Citizens' media gives the audience authority
- Blogs are essentially social -- this is a community
- Equated "audience" with Doc Searls' interpretation of "consumer":
"It implies that we are all tied to our chairs, head back, eating
‘content’ and crapping cash."
- Blogging establishes a culture of transparency
- It's an egalitarian meritocracy. It's about frankness and democracy. Liberte, fraternite, egalite!
- The grammar of information is changed: we search. We link. We no longer wait for the news; it waits for us to come to it.
- Re-designing news: News is not the article or the channel, but the story or the post.
- Johnathan Miller, head of AOL: 60 - 70 percent of AOL's spends their time on reader-created content
- "Don't worry about all the geeky tools" -- new tools will appear that will only make things easier
- Andrew Sullivan: "This happens only once in a lifetime. You don't
stumble across a new medium every day." Jarvis: "I say 'amen'."
And I say "Amen" too! A well-done, passionate, articulate and fiery rebuttal to the previous speaker.
Tuesday, August 3,
2004 at 02:55
EDT by Joey deVilla
Jan Schaffer
- "Going to bringing this back to participatory journalism, because this isn't supposed to be about blogger dot com"
- "We were interactive before digital media" -- Not conflict driven, participatory
- New media: speed, delivery, moving parts ("bells and whistles"...."more noise")
- Participatory journalism: on people, connections, conversations...on attachment
- The story we are missing: not about blogs, but about media participation
- Media participation: not just telling the stories, but telling them
- This [US] election is about media participation: MoveOn.org, the "Dean Scream" remixes, Fahrenheit 9/11 and Outfoxed
- Story Making:
- Internal: Consuming stories people make
- External: Making stories people consume
- Internal story making: Individuals as news aggregators: people develop an internal sense of the news based on the input they get
- External story making: blogs, email, citizen media
- Future news: people constructing those stories. Not something you read, something you do
- Early civic journalism: town hall meetings, mock juries
- Confession: "I'm not a fan of blogs."
- Not useful
- Narcissistic
- Niche
- Where they have the most utility:
- Beat reporters use blogs for stories that don't merit inclusion in the paper
- Editorial boards can use blogs so that ed board members can be held accountable for their opinions and can explain them
- Showed online educational games and multimedia sites as a way of
making news and other information more accessible to the average person
- Need
to build entry points, which means you build
attachments/relationships/audiences. Build connections and people
respond to that
- "Blogs are the 50-foot view. Participatory journalism is the 5,000-foot view."

Spider-man says: Snotty self-important journalist senses...tingling!
Tuesday, August 3,
2004 at 02:37
EDT by Joey deVilla
Warren Kinsella
- Blogs are "punk rock" media: angry, do-it-yourself
- "Corporate blog" is an oxymoron
- Wag in audience during technical difficulties: "This may be the
first time in history that Warren Kinsella has been silenced by
technology."
- Daily blog campaign:
- What is the big hairy deal about blogs?
- Who is my target?
- What is my message?
- Why should anyone care?
- What's the big deal with blogs?
- They're free
- Proudly biased
- Really easy to access
- Hegelian dialectic on speed
- They're populist
- Google power
- Specialists are welcome
- Interactions are welcome
- Pithy as heck!
- Rather faddish at the moment, aren't they?
- Are they the digital pet rock?
- Tips on ensuring blogs last past Christmas
- Tell a story. Facts tell, stories sell.
- Be brief: your readers demand it
- Leave no charge unanswered
- Take it seriously: hit back or lose!
- Who is my target audience?
- Nobody does it for themselves: otherwise they'd just write into a locked diary
- Don't try to be all things to all people
- Your target audience isn't the world, but the people you want to get onside
- The Pyramid of power:
- Top: Big bananas -- presidents, prime ministers, etc
- Next: Commentariat -- senior staff, big-shot reporter
- Third: Chattering classes -- people who stay informed and involved
- Bottom: The rest of us -- little power and interest, but they
vote governments in and out! "They are what blogs are for and about"
- "You own personal computers, which means you are suspicious of the government, like me"
- Don't ignore layer 4: they're the ones everyone is afraid of
- The soccer mom vote in 1992 US elections / Canadian equivalent is "new Canadians" -- watch out when they get angry!
- More influential than big bananas, than bureaucrats, lobbyists and politicos put together
- They are us -- reach out and hold onto them
- You (bloggers) are uniquely qualified to do that
- Warren's corporate media tips:
- mainstream media will not be able to absorb blog culture
- Mainstream media wired differently than us; different DNA
- Failure, misery, disaster make their bells go off
- Bloggers answer only to themselves
- Bloggers have the last word
- The
media have a different focus. Consider Roger Ailes orchestra pit story:
"If you have two guys on stage," he said, "and one of the guys says 'I
finally have a solution to the Middle East problem,' and the other guy
falls into the orchestra pit, who do you think is going to be on the
evening news?"
- Why should anybody care?
- Most of the time, people don't -- not because they're dumb, but because they're busy.
- Make readers care: make it interesting, you'll get read
- Be unique -- deliver a message the opposition can't
- Hebrew National story: competing against Oscar Mayer with "We
answer to a higher authority" -- something that Oscar Meyer couldn't say
- Be repetitive: simplicity, repetition, volume
- Don't let them change the channel on you!
Jay Rosen
- Will cover how his blog, PressThink, decided to cover the convention
- Wanted to try out blogging the DNC because it hadn't been done before
- PressThink tries to operate within a "newsy" way within its own domain
- Story about who got credentialled
- Instead of simplicity, repetition and volume, it's complexity, depth and nuance (the opposite of Warren's approach, BTW)
- Jay's approach: wants to limit the readership -- it's not for everybody, but it's for a specific type of reader
- "The very last thing I would assume about my audience is that they need something drilled into their heads."
- Interesting observation: media says that conventions are less and less relevant, yet they keep sending more people to cover it
- Story about regimes of political convention coverage: see this entry in PressThink.
- Another kind of coverage: inspiration from the past -- Article on how Norman Mailer covered the 1960 convention for Esquire
- "People have subscriptions to newspapers, people have relationships to the blogs they follow."
- Newsday's reporting online had no links "because that's the way they think"
- Including links to the material you're drawing from "is what any
responsible journalist should do" -- that's an advantage that weblogs
have
- "The way you blog an event like this [the DNC] is that you participate in it."
- Story about Obama: Obama said he had a blog and met with the bloggers. He asked for tips. Rosen's reply: "Write it yourself!"
- Thought it was amazing that the DNC had a CEO -- asked to interview him.
- Convention: communication vehicle for party message. People get
news from different ways, hence they had different groups: bloggers,
TV, talk radio, etc.
- Interview with Thomas Edsall: Bloggers are breaking up the groupthink
- "The most serious journalists are serious about blogging."
Q&A
- Chris Waddell: Does not believe in Kinsella's "pyramid of
power" -- 50% of America is disenfranchised. How do we re-enfranchise
them, via blogging?
- Kinsella: Blogging -- not sure the world changed with bloggers at the DNC, but I'm sure they changed
- Rosen: Important to ask the questions about employees doing
weblogs. What are the consequences of individual authorship? Suggests
studying the most popular weblogs: what makes them good or effective?
"Start local" -- make it real to people in your area.
- Rosen: The very first weblog that a mainstream journalist that becomes a success will point the way for the others
- Rosen: There is a "phony competition between mainstream
journalism and weblogs". Suggests to journalists to learn from
webloggers -- "Every skill that a journalist has is tapped by the
weblog"
- Kinsella: The "mainstreaming" of blogging may "denude" blogs of their essence, which is to say "up yours!"
Tuesday, August 3,
2004 at 01:36
EDT by Joey deVilla
Leonard Witt
- Journalism, as we know it, is broken
- 1988 elections were controlled by the "spinmeisters": it was flag factories, Willie Horton and that photo of Dukakis in the tank
- General idea: Move away from the "horse race mentality" ("Who'se
ahead? Who's behind?") and bring back discussion into the public sphere
- Because of public journalism, we have a body to critique mainstream journalism
- Gillmor: "If you're not sincere about something, over a period of time, you'll stop"
- Treating the audience as citizens, not consumers
- PJ reporting is not only on the extremes, but the middle gound
- PJ still not reaching out to all communities, especially disenfranchised ones ("judging by the ethnic makeup of the room")
Dan Gillmor
- Being blogged immediately teaches journalists a lot about how they're doing
- His publisher is handing out a free copy of his new book, We the Media, to everyone in the room later.
- Showed
video he took in Tokyo showing a handheld that scans RFIDs of bottles
of drugs -- scanning one, the handheld says "this will conflict with
your prescription"; another bottle scanned makes the unit say "this has
expired"
- Not only will every person have a story -- every thing will have a story too.
- Image of Lynndie England and leashed prisoner at Abu Ghraib: it's hard to keep secrets now
- Image of Treo running RSS software
- Image of man in surgical mask behind phone display: The news about SARS was spread long before the media did it via SMS
- If journalists are going to be learning blogging, they should be using tools that make it easier
- We the Media is "not just about weblogs, but something bigger than that."
- Image of GPS phone: Maps of Tokyo, a notoriously difficult city to navigate
- Image of Swe-Dish: satellite dish in a briefcase. $100K now, $1M back during Iraq War I
- Image of MoveOn.org: It's possible for anyone with just basic off-the-shelf software and hardware to make their own agitprop
- Self-assembling journalism: aggregator blogs, wikis (image of Wikipedia -- "journalism is just beginning to understand wikis")
- Wikipedia: "First absolutely open-source journalism" project that he's heard of -- brief explanation of wikis.
- Intriguing
part of wikis: trolls can wreck the comments section of a blog or
discussion board, but when anybody can fix the vandalism, it tends to
get fixed.
David Akin
- When he first made the leap from print to broadcast journalism, the best advice he got was to "just be a tourguide"
- Praised Dan Gillmor as being one of the best tour guides to the tech world
Leonard Witt
- Journalism is now in the middle of a transformative period, thanks to new tech
- Everyone has their own printing press
- "How can I use these tools to get my audience involved?"
- Citizens are getting involved in public journalism at lightning speed
- OhMyNews: Korean participatory newspaper -- 30,000 contributors, all citizen-produced -- there's an English version now
- Another example: Back-to-Iraq.com
- "Through blogs, public journalism has new DNA"
- The old way of public journalism: face-to-face meetings, took too much time, episodic, the journalists did all the talking
- The new way: Now we all own presses. It's the citizens who are now influencing things.
- A first: the DNC letting bloggers in -- they got more press than the press themselves
- Quote from Orville Schell (see this NYTimes article),
dean of the
graduate journalism program at the University of California, Berkeley:
"Obviously, the official media don't quite know how to deport
themselves in relation to the blogs. If they adopt them, it's like
having a spastic arm — they can't
control it. But if they don't adopt it, they're missing out on the
newest, edgiest trend in the media."
- Newspapers still haven't figured out how to incorporate blogging into how they work
- We Media
- Story
about pictures from the war (Abu Ghraib / caskets /
behadings): At a conference, journalists kept asked amongst themselves
whether they should run these gruesome photos -- they
were, in their minds, still the gatekeepers. A journalist called up a
site running the beheading video of Nick Berg on his laptop. It no
longer mattered whether the mainstream media would show the pictures:
other people would. "There are no more gatekeepers."
Q&A
- David Akin: This room is an elite talking to itself, talking about issues they find important
- Leonard Witt: We all have to our own affirmative action
- Dan Gillmor: Moore's Law will make technology accessible in terms
of affordability. The real hurdle will be intellectual and conceptual
accessibility, and this will rely heavily on our educational system.
- Peggy Kohr: How do you find time?
- CTV news writer: Video of the beheading of Nicholas Berg -- "It
would be disastrous for journalists to engage in a race to the bottom"
- Marie France: Videos like Nick Berg's pose a challenge to teaching journalistic ethics
Tuesday, August 3,
2004 at 12:46
EDT by Joey deVilla
Sitting here with
David Janes to my right (positionally and politically) at the Sheraton Centre at the
Exploring the Fusion Power of Public and Participatory Journalism conference. Anne Kothawala, President and CEO of the
Canadian Newspaper Association (CNA)
has just finished the introduction and is showing a CNA video (mostly a
PR-driven montage of Canadian images overlaid with "Aren't Canadian
newspapers great?" text with Jesus Jones'
Right Here, Right Now playing in the background.
David Akin has just finished introducing himself as the "traffic manager" of the conference and has promised to keep us on schedule.
Leonard Witt is now speaking on the topic of public journalism.
More updates as things happen.