Maybe it’s the cold medication talking (I’m taking a sick day), but Kathy “Relapsed Catholic” Shaidle and I actually agree on something: that local alt-weekly newspaper eye’s latest editorial is cheap Catholic-baiting.
The
editorial starts with that typical
unresolved-rebelling-against-my-parents annoyance with the media
coverage of the Pope’s funeral and turns to challenge the figures on
the number of Catholics in the world:
But we imagine
you did see something or other of the funeral of John Paul II and the
induction of his successor in recent weeks, and that’s because there
are putatively 1.1 billion Catholics around the world. That’s one-sixth
of the world’s population. Closer to home, Statistics Canada figures
that almost half of our population — 12.8 million — is Catholic.
Which means papal doings would be of great interest and importance.
Ditto various Catholic issues, like abortion and birth control and
same-sex marriage. When priests and bishops speak, politicians and the
media tend to watch and listen.
But if they shifted their eyes
from the pulpit to the pews, they’d see something at least as
interesting as anything being said. They’d notice there’s almost no one
there. If they did a little digging, they’d also figure out that those
numbers — 1.1 billion, 12.8 million — are bogus.
This
is bold talk coming from a free alt-weekly dumped all over town that
probably boasts about the size of their readership when selling
advertising space.
However, that’s not the main thrust of their
article, which is “You’re probably not really Catholic, because you
probably do not buy into the tenets of the Resurrection and Ascension
or of Transfiguration. And since you don’t, we’ll show you how to
resign your membership in the Church.” Presumably after which we’d all
move to something more fitting with the eye editorial board’s aesthetic and political criteria.
Would eye ever publish an editorial telling people to waltz into a Passover seder and challenge the veracity of the ten plagues that were visted upon Egypt
in order to make the Pharoah let the Hebrews go? Would they suggest you
walk up to a Jewish friend, pat them on the back and say in a
condescending tone of voice: “Chosen people? You go on thinking that, honey…”?
I
would like to think that they wouldn’t and I consider that a good
thing. Of course, given the strange tendency of some progressives to
wander into anti-semitic territory, we may yet see such an editorial.
However,
if you really want to go after the religion that’s cool to practice,
try BCB — Big City Buddhism. Don’t get me wrong, I have no quarrel
with Buddhism, but I do with the people who practice it more as a fashion than as a set of beliefs, philosophy or approach to life. Such people exist, which is why one of the names in the McSweeney’s article, Proposed Indian Names for Certain White People
is “Thinks of Self as Buddhist”. Are you really a Buddhist if you don’t
buy into reincarnation — that His Holiness the Dalai Lama isn’t
version 14.0 of the same person? Would eye call you a
bogus believer if you don’t completely buy into the concept of karma, a
cosmic arbitration force/credit plan that guarantees that the good or
ill that you put into the universe will be reacted upon like Newton’s Third Law?
Probably not.
What rubs me most raw about this editorial is something that eye
would typically be against, and that is, the taking away of a group’s
self-definition and replacing it with an outsider’s one. It’s just
another strain of what they would typically decry: Orientalism, cultural appropriation or even the argument that I’m not really a Canadian.
I may not agree with all the policies of my religion’s official office,
but that doesn’t give you the right to make the call as to whether I’m
truly a member or not.
Only I get to do that, bucko.
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Once again, I’m hoping that the vibes from the clown cemetery that’s been protecting Tampa…
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My religion, my knee-jerk.
Actually, I'd take the same stance had the potshots been directed at say, Judaism or Buddhism. And hey, had I taken the opposite stance, I suspect you'd be showering me with praise -- because it wouldn't have been a knee-jerk reaction, but a clever rebuttal from a quick and gifted thinker, no?
Shoot your mouth off all you like, kid, but make sure your brain ain't loaded with blanks first.
Actually, there's even another level to it. Catholicism, as I'm sure you're aware, does have a formal process for declaring someone not a member (unlike, say, Protestantism considered generally), and to the best of my knowledge, no one has declared you out of communion with the Church, so you don't even have to assert that you're Catholic. You are, whether you actively assert it or not. In the case of religions without that sort of organization, one might consider some sort of definition of belief (though I agree with you that it's a bad idea), but for Catholicism, it's quite clearly unecessary.
-Devin
Is that was the editorial was about? My secular brain saw it differently: the abundance of media coverage was justified by the 'popularity' of Catholicism; if the numbers are over-reported, is heavy media coverage necessary?
Perhaps the editorial board is still smarting from the "World Youth Day" (aka. Pope-apalooza). Did the whole world convert while my back was turned?
If they'd run only the first part of the editorial, I'd have been fine with that: "They say thier numbers are X, nobody we know is among their number, therefore I must conclude that the number is actually smaller."
However, they ran the second part which basically says: "You're not really one, you're just a poseur, so you might as well resign. Here's how." That's what got up my nose.
Do C&E Catholics qualify? I've always wondered if regular parishioners think the seasonal drop-ins crowding the church are legit members.
I'm gonna play devil's advocate. (and really for the sake of it here, because to be honest, I don't really care for trolling of any kind... even if the baiting is aimed at catholics and the media, an alternative newspaper...)
BUT:
the comparison between religions here doesn't quite work (at least not between catholicism and judaism).
As somebody else pointed out: the Catholic Church, unlike other Christian churches for example, has a very precise process to exclude people it doesn't consider true followers. It also has a very specific way of dealing with dogma, and doesn't admit its own fallibility: you buy it or you are out, *is* the message.
Now interestingly, judaism is every bit as dogmatic, if not more, but with a major difference: as far as being 'in' or 'out', you do not have a say. "Chosen people" as you say, and as such, neither something that you can join easily, nor opt out of. Now matter what you think of the 10 plagues or even if you happily eat pork cooked with electricity on a Friday night: you will still be, for all purposes, a [bad] Jew.
The same is even more true of Buddhism, which is hardly a religion at all, more like a very heterogeneous set of beliefs and philosophical stances... It is perfectly possible to accept or refuse parts of the traditional Buddhist teachings, and still be considered a "Buddhist" (precisely, because there's hardly such a thing as *a* buddhist).
This article attacks the Catholic Church (*not* the Catholic faith, as far as I can tell) because it makes an easy target (and also because it sells).
Two reasons to that: 1) dogma 2) proselytism.
If you look carefully, you'll notice that few other religions have developed these to the same level as the Catholic Church. And when they do in a specific country, it usually prompts the same reaction.
Now, tell yourself it could be way, way worse: you could have Richard Gere and a bunch of crystal-bead yoga moms as spokespersons for your beliefs...
Well put. And yes. the meat of my disagreement with the eye editorial is the trolling aspect.
I'm grateful that Richard "Hamtaro" Gere isn't a Catholic spokesperson, but I feel bad that he's a high-profile advocate/albatross of Buddhism, a belief system with some actual substance. I'm sure some Buddhists wish he'd gone for Scientology like a lot of other Hollywood stars.
Joey - amen. (no pun intended)
It seems to be fashionable to cut down the Catholic church - my boss at work loves to do it, esp. since the bishop accused of pedophilia "was protected". Being Catholic, it gets tedious at the least to have to listen to it. Also, like you, I don't necessarily agree with every aspect of the implementation of the religion (say, married priests, or no meat on Friday, etc.), but that doesn't change whether or not my religious beliefs align with my religion.
Also interesting is how "general media" or "popular opinion" is soooo upset with the church's stance on abortion, gay marriage, etc. Hellooooo - this is a religion, people, not a consensus of popular opinion, a feel-good lazy get-out-of-jail-free-card way of exonerating you from your actions without consequences. For example, I'd agree that abortion is a sin - any woman who's gone through it will tell you it's hell and the experience itself is penance - but sins can be forgiven by the repentent, this is the good thing about the church. You are allowed to make mistakes. It tells you that certain things are wrong, but it expects that you will err sometimes, and if you are truly sorry, and seek forgiveness, you will be forgiven.
Thanks for letting me post Joey. -- L
Well, I'm sure having such a mop-head blurt out approximate fortune-cookie wisdom on national TV doesn't really please people who happen to have a deeper interest in the matter...
But once again: Buddhism doesn't really have the same conception of proselytism as Catholicism does. Even if you take it in its narrowest definition and look at the Dalai Lama as a possible spiritual leader, you'll see that he might be the only such "leader" who neither command his followers, nor even put any value judgement on other "competing" beliefs... Which is quite counter-productive for a religion, but perhaps the best indicator that it isn't much of a religion at all...
With that, I'd say Gere speaks about as much in the name of other Buddhist followers, as the guy who slept on the pavement outside of some midwest movie theater, clad in papier-maché Marvin-the-paranoid-android outfit, speaks in the name of all Douglas Adams fans out there...
- dr Dave
And btw, since we are in the Trolling&Reclamation dpt, I thought I'd point out that your commenting system kinda sucks.